GARTH'S CORNER: Grigorenko Won't Report To Quebec

GARTH'S CORNER: Grigorenko Won't Report To Quebec
- garth

I'm sorry but there is just no question Ted Nolan should not be coaching this team in the middle of a rebuild. We are wasting roster spots on 2 waiver claims, and mid twenties Linus Omark instead of Grigo. Are you kidding me? Just continuing to ruin the kid. I agree that he is not ready for the NHL but he is to good for the Q. It would have been wise to let him get the experience here and see if he improves in this wasted season, then you could throw him in the 'A next year when eligible.

I'm sorry but there is just no question Ted Nolan should not be coaching this team in the middle of a rebuild. We are wasting roster spots on 2 waiver claims, and mid twenties Linus Omark instead of Grigo. Are you kidding me? Just continuing to ruin the kid. I agree that he is not ready for the NHL but he is to good for the Q. It would have been wise to let him get the experience here and see if he improves in this wasted season, then you could throw him in the 'A next year when eligible.
- thisisderrik

It's Ted's fault . Lindy and Raulston were wrong too . Fact is Darcy was the one wrong . He should have spent last year with Quebec . And had his first shot this year . Darcy ruined this kid . Not the coaches.

Girgorenko to detroit. he can learn from Datsyuk.

It's Ted's fault . Lindy and Raulston were wrong too . Fact is Darcy was the one wrong . He should have spent last year with Quebec . And had his first shot this year . Darcy ruined this kid . Not the coaches.
- Maximum Signal

It's not even just Grigorenko though. Nolan does not know how to handle young kids. He's done a hell of a job coaching with what he has this year, but this isn't 1997, let alone 2006 anymore. Young kids are playing larger roles on teams every year now.

This is where Teddy Nolan hurts his own cause. I love the guy (and I get that he has Lafontaine's support here)... but this is an early impression for Tim Murray during his first week on the job. Murray, I'm sure, has been strongly encouraged to keep Nolan incorporated into things. That being said, Nolan showing no flexibility in the style of player in his lineup is really going to cause complications for Tim Murray. If I'm Murray, as much as the fans love Nolan... I'd wait out the rest of this season to make a decision on Nolan going forward. He can't have both... his style players and better players. There are very few players in the league who compete in the manner than Nolan wants AND have a high skill level. They're out there, but the teams with those players aren't going to give them away to us just because Nolan wants them. Now, Nolan's public comments and digging his feet into the sand is painting Tim Murray into a corner... he either backs his coach and alienates Grigorenko and in the process trades him from a point of weakness and low value OR he overrules his coach which isn't a great way to start their relationship together. Welcome to a dysfunctional organization, Mr. Murray.

This is where Teddy Nolan hurts his own cause. I love the guy (and I get that he has Lafontaine's support here)... but this is an early impression for TIM Murray during his first week on the job. Murray, I'm sure, has been strongly encouraged to keep Nolan incorporated into things. That being said, Nolan showing no flexibility in the style of player in his lineup is really going to cause complications for TIM Murray. If I'm Murray, as much as the fans love Nolan... I'd wait out the rest of this season to make a decision on Nolan going forward. He can't have both... his style players and better players. There are very few players in the league who compete in the manner than Nolan wants AND have a high skill level. They're out there, but the teams with those players aren't going to give them away to us just because Nolan wants them. Now, Nolan's public comments and digging his feet into the sand is painting TIM Murray into a corner... he either backs his coach and alienates Grigorenko and in the process trades him from a point of weakness and low value OR he overrules his coach which isn't a great way to start their relationship together. Welcome to a dysfunctional organization, Mr. Murray.
- djc1877

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I don't understand how Grigo thinks he has earned a spot on this team? He's certainly been given opportunities to prove himself .

This should serve as a humbling reality check for the young kid that you earn your way into the NHL.

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- aborody

Oops!! Thanks! I was distracted while just typing away... thanks again!

I'm sorry but there is just no question Ted Nolan should not be coaching this team in the middle of a rebuild. We are wasting roster spots on 2 waiver claims, and mid twenties Linus Omark instead of Grigo. Are you kidding me? Just continuing to ruin the kid. I agree that he is not ready for the NHL but he is to good for the Q. It would have been wise to let him get the experience here and see if he improves in this wasted season, then you could throw him in the 'A next year when eligible.
- thisisderrik

I could not agree more, heck it looks like something I'd write.

Good for grigo. I can think of at least 4 current players on the roster id want grigo over.

Teds the coach, he does not want Grigorenko because he's not ready. Management supports this, get over it Garth

Maybe when Murray said the interim tag won't be on for much longer, he meant a new coach....
Just some fuel to a fire

How about putting Grigorenko on the 2nd or 3rd line. People said he had a chance. playing games with John Scott and Cody McCormick doesnt really count. never saw him on the 2nd line but sure he might lack 2way game a little bit thats why you put him on wing so he doesnt have to maintain so much ice right now. Once LameO is out put him in! can you buyout a player at the Feb Deadline? if so Scratch Leino so hes fricking healthy to get rid of him and Grigorenko will take his 3rd Line LW Position for the rest of the season and then Amerks it is next year. sadly there goes his ELC but Quebec wont make him do any good. Murray please get rid of our bottom six players soon. Scott, Leino, MFE!, trade kevin Porter for something small... get rid of Stafford and bring in some players. Callahan (FA hopefully) Evander Kane (Trade for maybe) i cant think of a trade right now ill hear what you guys think. This whole Grigorenko situation is bad though.. Hopefully he kills it and earns his position before next season. Dont give up on him yet. i love Teddy Nolan but you gotta let the kid play with atleast decent players. Not on our Goon Line that has one goal in 40+ games which is embarassing! what are your guys thoughts

Good for grigo. I can think of at least 4 current players on the roster id want grigo over.
- Putzfrau

I agree, I counted 6 when I looked at the roster. Grigo practices with these guys and he knows it too. There was a reason this guy was coaching in Latvia.

I don't understand how Grigo thinks he has earned a spot on this team? He's certainly been given opportunities to prove himself .

This should serve as a humbling reality check for the young kid that you earn your way into the NHL.
- nikel

The opportunity that the buffalo sabres have given him is down right laughable putting him on the third or fourth line with players that are not at his skill level is not opportunity. The bufffalo sabres need to put him in better situations so that he can be successful. Has he played with skilled players in the past yes but he need to play with skilled players consistenly so he can become successful.

If you put Crosby with players that have no skill you will get the same result.

The opportunity that the buffalo sabres have given him is down right laughable putting him on the third or fourth line with players that are not at his skill level is not opportunity. The bufffalo sabres need to put him in better situations so that he can be successful. Has he played with skilled players in the past yes but he need to play with skilled players consistenly so he can become successful.

If you put Crosby with players that have no skill you will get the same result.
- mike13wilkins

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see him succeed...but it's Grigo that has to prove his worth and talent, regardless of who he's playing with. If he's as talanted as he thinks he is then that should speak for itself, unfortunately I havent seen too much of that.

If you were a coach or any type of manager for that matter, do you think you'd have a job for very long if you promoted employees that hadn't worked for it?

Players of Crosbys caliber make the players around them better, regardless of what line their on, do you really think the same can be said of Grigo?

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see him succeed...but it's Grigo that has to prove his worth and talent, regardless of who he's playing with. If he's as talanted as he thinks he is then that should speak for itself, unfortunately I havent seen too much of that.

If you were a coach or any type of manager for that matter, do you think you'd have a job for very long if you promoted employees that hadn't worked for it?

Players of Crosbys caliber make the players around them better, regardless of what line their on, do you really think the same can be said of Grigo?
- nikel

If i were a coach or a gm i would try to put my players in the best situation so that they can become successful. And Crosby is not gonna turn scott of mccormick in to a 20 plus goal scorer.

Its not about opportunity its about putting your players in the best situation as possible so that the can become seccussful.

It's not even just Grigorenko though. Nolan does not know how to handle young kids. He's done a hell of a job coaching with what he has this year, but this isn't 1997, let alone 2006 anymore. Young kids are playing larger roles on teams every year now.
- thisisderrik

Your reasoning is horrifying. How is Nolan getting blamed for this? So Nolan picks who's on his team and not the gm? Interesting.

What might you be basing your statement that Nolan doesn't know how to handle young kids on?

Think and do some research before posting.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see him succeed...but it's Grigo that has to prove his worth and talent, regardless of who he's playing with. If he's as talanted as he thinks he is then that should speak for itself, unfortunately I havent seen too much of that.

If you were a coach or any type of manager for that matter, do you think you'd have a job for very long if you promoted employees that hadn't worked for it?

Players of Crosbys caliber make the players around them better, regardless of what line their on, do you really think the same can be said of Grigo?
- nikel

Thank you! At least someone has some sense on this site.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see him succeed...but it's Grigo that has to prove his worth and talent, regardless of who he's playing with. If he's as talanted as he thinks he is then that should speak for itself, unfortunately I havent seen too much of that.

If you were a coach or any type of manager for that matter, do you think you'd have a job for very long if you promoted employees that hadn't worked for it?

Players of Crosbys caliber make the players around them better, regardless of what line their on, do you really think the same can be said of Grigo?
- nikel

This might have been a good argument if we didn't have about four other players that haven't "earned their ice time" and don't happen to be top prospects with loads of potential.

I'm sorry but there is just no question Ted Nolan should not be coaching this team in the middle of a rebuild. We are wasting roster spots on 2 waiver claims, and mid twenties Linus Omark instead of Grigo. Are you kidding me? Just continuing to ruin the kid. I agree that he is not ready for the NHL but he is to good for the Q. It would have been wise to let him get the experience here and see if he improves in this wasted season, then you could throw him in the 'A next year when eligible.
- thisisderrik

Ive been saying this for awhile now. Ita nice to know some people have some sense.

I don't understand how Grigo thinks he has earned a spot on this team? He's certainly been given opportunities to prove himself .

This should serve as a humbling reality check for the young kid that you earn your way into the NHL.
- nikel

What are you taking about? He hasnt been given any opportunity to prove himself.

Grigorenko is in the same boat as Mantha is. Continuing to play against these kids in juniors isnt going to help. Needs to be in the NHL or in the euro leagues somewhere.

What are you taking about? He hasnt been given any opportunity to prove himself.
- alexthegr8

He was given chances . He does not compete . Does not deserve to be here.